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From: Lyn A Headley <laheadle@c...>
Subject: Re: Can someone explain?
>>>>> "skaller" == skaller  <skaller@maxtal.com.au> writes:

    >> The only way to access a value of a class instance is via
    >> method invocation: you have to define a method that returns the
    >> value.

    skaller> 	Thanks, but you have not answered the real question
    skaller> here: WHY are the values present in the interface when
    skaller> they are not accessible via the interface?

good question.
 
    >> > Similarly, what is the purpose of allowing 'virtual' >
    >> methods in class types and class declarations in > module
    >> signatures?
    >> 
    >> Virtual methods are methods that are declared but not
    >> implemented: sub-classes must define them.

    skaller> 	Again, I knew that, the real question is WHY this
    skaller> information is in the _interface_??


[I know]


    skaller> 	I will change the representation to match Python,
    skaller> using an array (or perhaps a doubly linked list of
    skaller> arrays), and report back.

Here's an idea: just hijack the Python implementation and provide an
ocaml interface.  This has the advantages that (1) it has been
hand-tuned for efficiency for years and (2) that it will export a
similar interface to the ocaml code as has existed for the C code for
years, thus allowing a smoother transition to ocaml for python
extension writers.

Come to think of it, why not do that for /all/ the builtin types?
These will also be useful for use by code generated by viperc.


    skaller> 	You would need the WHOLE interpreter :-) I will make
    skaller> that available in the near future, asking for help to
    skaller> speed up the implementation.

yum. <smacks his chops noisily>

    skaller> 	I think it would be VERY useful to have an ocaml
    skaller> written Python interpreter/compiler as fast as, or faster
    skaller> than, CPython.  There are a lot of Python users out there
    skaller> who could be introduced to ocaml this way, and gain
    skaller> immediate benefits from a faster implementation
    skaller> (particularly the compiler).

Me too!  This could be a big thing for ocaml.  Darn it, now you've got
me all psyched about ocaml again.  Too bad I already committed to
Eiffel for my latest project.

[snip]

    skaller> A doubly linked list has a node containing two pointers,

[snip]
    >> > and 't iterator = > Empty > | Node of 't d_node

    skaller> 	This is the type of a pointer to a node. In ocaml,

An ocaml "port" of STL would kick ass.  especially, think how well
iterators would combine with closures!  The C++ notion of "function
objects" and "adaptors" looks clumsy in comparison (e.g. you cannot
create a localized class object)


    skaller> A class is used here to represent the whole list. It is
    skaller> an object simply because that is the intended use: as a
    skaller> mutable object with various mutators. In retrospect, this
    skaller> is probably a mistake.

why?


-Lyn