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Labels and operators
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John Prevost
- Ken Wakita
- Jacques Garrigue
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Markus Mottl
- John Prevost
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| Date: | -- (:) |
| From: | John Prevost <prevost@m...> |
| Subject: | Re: Labels and operators |
>>>>> "mm" == Markus Mottl <mottl@miss.wu-wien.ac.at> writes:
mm> Well, sometimes we are really struck by the only
mm> "two-dimensional" way in which we can write our sources
mm> (top-down + left-right). If we could write into the depth,
mm> there would be an elegant solution for adding arguments to
mm> infix operators...
>> The only solution I can think of is something like:
mm> [snip]
>> # "foo" =~ re "f";; - : bool = true # "foo" =~ re "f" ~pos:1;;
>> - : bool = false
>>
>> Which, well, works, but seems kind of nasty.
mm> I normally try to avoid new operators, but if I wanted to have
mm> a somewhat "powered up" version of "=~", your version here
mm> would look fine to me - just read every piece aloud:
mm> "foo" =~ re "f" ~pos:1 "foo" - is matched by - regular
mm> expression - "f" - at position one
mm> This is pretty close to the human way of expressing
mm> things. (Larry Wall, the linguist, would be proud of you! ;-)
Honestly, lingustics is a hobby of mine, and Larry (whom I've met)
doesn't impress me much. ;>
>> since the labelled args could not in any way shape or form be
>> thought to go with either expr1 or expr2. This would lead to
>> things like:
>>
>> # "foo" =~ ~pos:1 "f";; - : bool = false
>>
>> being possible. Don't know whether it's a great idea, though.
mm> I prefer your first version: "subject", "verb" and "object"
mm> are close together, the additional modifiers only follow
mm> afterwards. To my knowledge, most natural languages would
mm> order expressions like this.
This is a good point, which I'd forgotten. Natural languages have the
habit of ordering things so that the main arguments of a word
(whatever sort of word that may be) are always closer to the word than
any optional hangers on. Essentially, this is to avoid problems like:
I gave the mayor of the northernmost city of the northernmost province
of the northernmost nation a token.
If you draw a picture of the structure of this sentence, you end up
with a big deep tree in between the verb "gave" and "a token", which
is the primary argument of that verb. If you shift things around a
little, you don't get the problem:
I gave a token to the mayor of ...
So your assertion that most natural languages would order expressions
this way is well founded, unless you happen to know that R->L
languages are actually statistically more common than L->R languages
in the world, and therefore we should be writing:
~pos:1 "f" re =~ "foo";
;>
Anyway, the current syntax is enough. =~ re ... also means that you
could have =~ other things, which might be useful. And, if I really
cared, camlp4 could give me the full horror of things like:
"foo" =~ /f/i
John.