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From: Sven Luther <sven.luther@w...>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: [OT] Bugzilla Sucks (WAS: Using Bugzilla for OCaml ..)
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 03:35:48AM -0500, N. Owen Gunden wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 08:47:55AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > [...]
> > nor does the mails posted to you by bugzilla seem very usefull to me
> > (having loads of uninformative header stuff for a line or two of
> > content which will in fact be hidden one or two screens down, and i
> > browse with a full screen mutt client with 50 or so lines).
> 
> This must be customizable during the bugzilla install or something, because I
> get a lot of bugzilla mail and that's not been my experience at all.  A typical
> bugzilla message starts with the url of the bug in question, then immediately
> displays the comments that have been added to the bug.

Yeah, most assuredly.

> Here is a recent (and very typical) bug mailing I got from bugzilla, identical
> down to exact spacing:
> 
> *** message start ************************************************************
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11359
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

First 6 lost lines, on what i am used to, there is a line about : 

  Please do not reply to this email: if you want to comment on the bug, go
  to the URL shown below and enter your comments there.

which kind of defeats the purpose of a mail interface.

> ------- Additional Comments From john@milsson.nu  2003-12-06 01:10 PST -------
> Is it not possible to use ncurses to stack dialogs? Just keep them there and
> continue merging.

Also, this is hardly readable. try to look at many such mails, and you
will notice that it is very difficult to read the actual content of the
comment, without concentration and effort, it doesn't attract the eye in
the middle of all the junk in the report, and this is actually the
important stuff, not the rest of it, so it should come first, with
actual spacing around the message for easier reading.

> ------- You are receiving this mail because: -------
> You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
> *** message end **************************************************************
> 
> IMHO, it doesn't get any more concise than that, apart from maybe
> cleaning out a few extraneous newlines.

Have a look at the debian BTS, and then tell me that again. Here is a
bug opening mail from the debian BTS :

*** message start ***
Package: liblablgtk2-ocaml-dev
Version: 2.2.0-1

$ lablgtk2
Cannot load required shared library:
/usr/lib/ocaml/3.07/stublibs/dlllablgl.so: undefined symbol:
glMultTransposeMatrixd.
$

I'm using Debian unstable updated today from a mirror.
*** message end ***

and the reply-to is conveniently set to :

  Reply-To: ZHAO Wei <zhaoway@public1.ptt.js.cn>, 218823@bugs.debian.org

where 218823 is the bug number. A reply looks like : 

*** message start ***
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 04:03:48AM +0800, ZHAO Wei wrote:
> Package: liblablgtk2-ocaml-dev
> Version: 2.2.0-1
>
> $ lablgtk2
> Cannot load required shared library:
> /usr/lib/ocaml/3.07/stublibs/dlllablgl.so: undefined symbol:
> glMultTransposeMatrixd.
> $
>
> I'm using Debian unstable updated today from a mirror.

Sure.

What version of the opengl libraries do you use ?

Friendly,

Sven Luther
*** message end ***

And you can easily access all of the data by going to :

http://bugs.debian.org/128679

And then, naturally, there is the email control possibility documented
at :

http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control

> e can easily see the entire message in mutt, with a measly 40-row terminal.

Sure sure, but the point remain. The comment is hardly noticeable, and
you cannot reply to such a message.

Friendly,

Sven Luther

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