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From: Vasili Galchin <vasiliocaml@y...>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: Proposed community structure (was Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar)
Hello,

  The reason I mention these two names is because we
started to "OCaml's Cathedral and Bazaar" metaphor on
this thread. I am not saying these guy are panacea. I
am merely saying that OCaml seems to be somewhat
directionless and there are a lot of loose ends, e.g.
existing code that has not been incorporated into the
mainstream. On the other hand, there are also a lot of
very talented people working on/using OCaml. I would
sincerely like to see OCaml get more into industry.

Regards, Vasili

--- Ville-Pertti Keinonen <will@exomi.com> wrote:
> 
> On Mar 20, 2004, at 8:49 AM, Vasili Galchin wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure what you're presenting these names as
> examples of, but 
> IMHO...
> 
> > Linus Torvalds
> 
> He's done good job maintaining the Linux kernel, but
> maybe wouldn't be 
> that good of a compiler-writer (probably just lack
> of experience in 
> that area), see e.g.:
> 
> http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2002-08/msg00544.html
> 
> The single lead developer model is a good
> development model, though.
> 
> > Eric Raymond ...
> 
> It's nice to have someone extroverted speak for you
> when you agree with 
> him, but people who feel a need to insult those that
> don't agree with 
> them (see http://www.catb.org/~esr/aim/ for a
> non-technical example) 
> are probably not the most trustworthy
> community-builders...
> 
> If anything, the OCaml developers seem like one of
> the most reasonable 
> groups of developers I've seen (not that I've
> actually seen any of them 
> in person).  The core works well, and its
> development methods seem to 
> be working.
> 
> As for the community/library side...planning on
> committees or on the 
> lack thereof is probably premature.  Successful
> communities don't seem 
> to organize by planning, but by accident.  Once
> there is sufficient 
> weight behind the effort, that's when it should be
> evident what needs 
> to be adjusted; nothing needs to be set in stone
> from the start.
> 
> Personally, I don't think becoming popular is
> important, or that 
> something has failed if it doesn't.  Besides, OCaml
> actually already 
> seems to be gaining quite a bit of attention.
> 
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