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From: Frederic GAVA <frederic.gava@w...>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Wikipedia
A little thing that I do not understand. Why the wikipedia page is not written by the ocaml's team ? An encyclopedia has to been written by "expert" and in the wiki idea with the help and the comments of the communauty... and a link (just one) to the ffconsultancy.com is not problem is there are many other links even it is a firm. But other links to other compagnies should also added? Why not in the rubric application, a sub-case "firm using ocaml" (that develop special applications with ocaml). And why, in this page, there are so little links to applications in ocaml. For example, the soft http://www.astree.ens.fr/ which is develop by academics people and using by a firm ?





> Message du 06/11/05 20:39
> De : "Thomas Fischbacher" 
> A : "Jon Harrop" 
> Copie à : caml-list@inria.fr
> Objet : Re: [Caml-list] Wikipedia
> 
> 
> On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Jon Harrop wrote:
> 
> ...and once again, it may be interesting to see a bit more context.
> 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocaml
> > 
> > The page gets a lot of hits and is, most likely, the first port of call by 
> > many people when trying to learn about OCaml.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, the quality of this page is substantially worse than that of 
> > the equivalent pages on SML, Haskell and so on. I have tried to improve the 
> > page myself but most of my links have been removed following complaints to 
> > admim by an anonymous, German-speaking, OCaml-using physicist with the IRC 
> > nic "tf" and all of my corrections were removed by Mike Lin. My code examples 
> > remain though.
> 
> On Oct 26, 19:10, I put a note into the "talk" section of the OCaml 
> wikipedia article, pointing out that it contained an excessively large 
> amount of links to ffconsultancy.com, which were indeed entered by Jon 
> Harrop, by now infamous also on Usenet.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:O%27Caml_programming_language&oldid=26550471
> 
> To give an excerpt from the article as it was at that time:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ocaml&oldid=26478312
> 
> Please note the number of ffconsultancy.com links:
> 
> ====>
> 
> Fun:

> 

> 
Several > href="/wiki/International_Conference_on_Functional_Programming_Contest" 
> title="International Conference on Functional Programming 
> Contest">International Conference on Functional Programming Contest 
> winners

> 
> 
A 2D maze 
> generator

> 
> class='external text' title="http://www.ffconsultancy.com/free/ray 
> tracer/">A mini ray tracer

> 
> href="http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/ocaml_for_scientists/visualisation/" 
> class='external text' title="http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/ocaml 
> for scientists/visualisation/">Graphical examples from a book on OCaml for 
> scientists

> 
> class='external text' 
> title="http://handhelds.freshmeat.net/projects/planets/">Gravity 
> simulator

> 

> 
> Education:

> 

> 
> title="http://home.gna.org/geocaml/">Drgeocaml, a dynamic geometry 
> software

> 

> 
> Scientific:

> 
> 

> 
> href="http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/ocaml_for_scientists/complete/" 
> class='external text' title="http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/ocaml 
> for scientists/complete/">Examples from a book on OCaml for 
> scientists

> 

> 
> Commercial:

> 

> 
> class='external text' 
> title="http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/presenta">Presenta 
> technical presentation software

> 

> 
> Engineering:

> 

> 
> title="http://www.confluent.org">Confluence is a language for 
> synchronous reactive system design. A Confluence program can generate 
> digital logic for an FPGA or ASIC platform, or C code for hard real-time 
> software.

> 
> 

> <====
> 
> This was the state of the article when I put that comment into the 
> discussion section. I did not re-enter that discussion from then on, so 
> when Jon says:
> 
> > I have tried to improve the 
> > page myself but most of my links have been removed following complaints to 
> > admim by (...) tf
> 
> his "improvements" which were removed following my "complaints" can only 
> refer to his act of Wikipedia vandalism (as I would call it), putting 
> excessive link spam (see above) into the article.
> 
> 
> Let's face it: if one takes Google rank as a a rough first measure of 
> relevance (in the sense of "how much do people talk about it") in the 
> non-academic world, in a search for "OCaml", none of Jon's material 
> (despite all his efforts) is in the top 10 (note: google searches may 
> depend on region/country), a link to his book is #17, and not one further 
> single ffconsultancy link is among the top 50. 
> 
> So, if a single individual makes about half of all the external links in a 
> Wikipedia page point to an irrelevant, obscure web site of his own(!), 
> that hardly can be considered an "improvement", can it?
> 
> But unfortunately, such distorted view and presentation of reality seems 
> to be not too uncommon in Jon's writings.
> 
> 
> -- 
> regards, tf@cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de (o_
> Thomas Fischbacher - http://www.cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de/~tf //\
> (lambda (n) ((lambda (p q r) (p p q r)) (lambda (g x y) V_/_
> (if (= x 0) y (g g (- x 1) (* x y)))) n 1)) (Debian GNU)
> 
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