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Re: [Caml-list] New Ocaml Plug-in for NetBeans
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Erik de Castro Lopo
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Erik de Castro Lopo
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Date: | 2008-07-26 (15:37) |
From: | Jon Harrop <jon@f...> |
Subject: | Re: [Caml-list] New Ocaml Plug-in for NetBeans |
On Saturday 26 July 2008 13:25:10 Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > hmf@inescporto.pt wrote: > > Ok, this is not a rebuttal but... we all know C, C++, Ocaml, Haskell, > > Ruby, etc, are supported in Eclipse. Granted support is not > > perfect, but you can work quite comfortably. > > Personally I find Eclipse appalling. It takes forever to start > up and runs slow as a dog. Agreed. That is precisely why I think it is a bad idea to build upon Eclipse. However that is not an inherent property of an IDE. Surely one written in OCaml as I described could be extremely fast? > It might support Java reasonably well > but I find its support for C rather poor. I haven't tried it > with other laguages. The Scala plugin for Eclipse is also almost unusable. AFAIK, Haskell has uniformly poor support in this respect as well. F# is the best of the functional languages but still leaves a lot to be desired, IMHO. > > What I say here also goes for Richard. I am aware that a lot of time > > has gone into learning these tools (20 years!). I am just saying that to > > use IDEs also requires effort. > > I spent 35+ hours/week for 6 months on VS2005. Is that not enough > time to learn it? Have you used the F# mode in Visual Studio? > > Ok. But most IDE editor also offer most (all?) of those capabilities, > > correct? Anyway, this is not the issue. > > But the Adobe IDE was definitely different to the VS2005 one I > was using a couple of months earlier. What I really wanted was > to be using my editor, with my personalised syntax highlighting > pattern and my macros. > > > Granted. But I am defending lowering the barrier for Ocaml use. > > If you are advocating IDE use for the purposes of making Ocaml > easier for newcomers then you are in a bit of a bind. The > people who need the IDE are the newcomers who are not capable > of writing one and the ones with sufficient experience to write > an Ocaml IDE are happy with what they have and are therefore > not interested in writing one (with the possible exception of > Jon Harrop). Actually, many OCaml programmers gave the F# team positive feedback over their Visual Studio mode precisely because it makes experienced users so much more productive. -- Dr Jon D Harrop, Flying Frog Consultancy Ltd. http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/?e