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Jacques Garrigue wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;You cannot call m from other modules because you cannot create values
&gt;&gt;&gt;for the type "protector".
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Gerd
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Effective, definitely, but practical? Is this not supposed 
&gt;&gt;to be a feature of any general purpose object oriented language?
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; Actually, this seems perfectly practical.
&gt; If you have some good reason to "protect" a method, you can do it
&gt; cleanly.

I would not call adding a fake type a clean solution. It's 
not idiomatic. A "protected" keyword is cleaner and easier 
to handle. Although it might be very tricky to implement in 
a language with type inference.

&gt; By the way, ocaml is not a general purpose object-oriented languages,
&gt; but a general purpose functional language with object-oriented
&gt; features. In particular, encapsulation is supported by the module
&gt; system rather than the class system.
&gt; Even in object-oriented languages, I've seen heated discussions on
&gt; whether using friend classes was good style or not.

This is too big an issue for me. I only expressed the need I 
perceive for a construct to enable different instances of 
the same class to call methods on their siblings which are 
not visible to the general public. What I really want is a 
way to restrict through a type coercion the type of my 
"autofriendly" class.

&gt;&gt;Anyway, for the meantime I'll keep the method public, and 
&gt;&gt;make sure I don't use it anywhere except where it makes 
&gt;&gt;sense, and I'll wait for some more insight from the developers.
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; Note that in many cases there are other ways to obtain the expected
&gt; behaviour.

How about the following pseudocode? Is it sensible/viable?

let module M : sig
   class type public = object &lt;public_methods&gt; end
   val make_public : unit -&gt; public
end = struct
   class type public = object &lt;public_methods&gt; end
   class protectd =
     object (self : #public)
     &lt;public_methods&gt;
     &lt;protected_methods&gt;
   end
   let make_public () -&gt; (new protected :&gt; public)
end

If this a working alternative, I would prefer over both the 
protector type and the protected keyword: clean, simple, and 
idiomatic.

&gt; For instance, if only one specific object is supposed to use a method,
&gt; you might register a private callback with it rather than the other
&gt; way round.
&gt; 
&gt; Jacques Garrigue

Hrmmm.... uuuhhh.... yes? What's it mean?

Thank you very much, Jacques, for taking time to answer my 
former post.

Alex

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