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  date="2002-07-12T12:54:54"
  subject="Re: [Caml-list] Array.resize ?">
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  date="2002-07-12T14:05:48"
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  subject="Re: [Caml-list] Array.resize ?">
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  from="Eray Ozkural &lt;exa@k...&gt;"
  author="Eray Ozkural"
  date="2003-05-10T20:25:35"
  subject="Re: [Caml-list] Array.resize ?">
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  from="John Max Skaller &lt;skaller@o...&gt;"
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  date="2002-07-10T15:39:49"
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  from="Nicolas barnier &lt;barnier@r...&gt;"
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  date="2002-07-11T08:57:10"
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  from="John Max Skaller &lt;skaller@o...&gt;"
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  date="2002-07-12T12:16:49"
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  author="Xavier Leroy"
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  date="2002-10-18T08:36:36"
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Well, let's face it.  This particular problem doesn't do much to address
Oleg's (C vs. OCaml productivity ) question at all.  And I wasn't posting
my solution as an example of increased productivity either -- I was simply
venting a bit (you have to understand, I'm a cryptographer, so seeing
times in the minutes and seconds for generating the first 5000 primes is
enough to make my skin crawl).

Anyway, you don't see the point of using OCaml _solely_ as a Pascal with
GC, and I don't see the point of writing bad code, simply for the sake of
keeping it purely functional (after all, slow execution and sexy code
isn't a productivity boost either).  Still, your second point is very
valid -- If the best I can do to generate a stream of primes in a
functional manner is 250/second, something is wrong, and I'm going to need
a better way of doing things.  And with OCaml I can do that effortlessly,
even if the rest of my code is functional out the wazoo.

William D. Neumann

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Alexander V.Voinov wrote:

&gt; Hi William,
&gt; 
&gt; But it is completely imperative. As I understand, the original Oleg's
&gt; concern was that he doesn't see a point in learning something which
&gt; doesn't bring any benefit over C++. Personally, I don't see a point
&gt; in using OCaml _solely_ as a Pascal with GC. 
&gt; 
&gt; The only reason which justifies for me your quoted exercise is that
&gt; when you deadly need an efficient imperative part in your program you
&gt; can (quite likely) achieve this without leaving the language (to a C
&gt; extension or whatever).
&gt; 
&gt; Alexander

---

"The magnum opus of rms and his Foundation is called 'GNU', a project to
completely rewrite the propritorially soiled Unix operating system. 
(Apparently, 'GNU' stands for "Gnu's Not Unix", and is proudly held to be
the world's first 'recursive acronym'. Which, of course, proves that rms
didn't get out enough in his youth.) 

	-- Nick Roberts


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