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On Nov 12, 2003, at 8:14, John J Lee wrote:

&gt; How does O'Caml compare with languages like Haskell (ghc), C and C++ 
&gt; for
&gt; executable size?  Does compiled code depend on a runtime library (and 
&gt; how
&gt; big is that, if so)?

	Well, the bin is bigger than a minimal C app with the same 
functionality.  There is no runtime library required (I build and 
distribute apps).  I somehow don't have ghc on my machines here to do a 
comparison.

&gt; Are there any easily-identifiable, non-obvious, factors that affect
&gt; executable size (I'm talking about end-use factors, rather those 
&gt; resulting
&gt; from the design decisions taken by the language designers and
&gt; implementors)?

	(don't know)

&gt; I currently use Python by preference, but I'm interested in a language
&gt; (other than C/C++!) that doesn't depend on a big runtime library and
&gt; generates "reasonably" small executables -- modems are here to stay 
&gt; for a
&gt; while yet.

	The stuff I build on my Mac ends up being about 300k so far.  That 
seems reasonably small to me.

	I'm not sure what a modem has to do with your distribution, but there 
are options.  You could distribute the source to your app (which will 
be way smaller than the equivalent C or C++ application) and compile 
elsewhere, or you can use the transfer time to bask in your 
productivity and performance gains.  :)

	Python is a bad reference for two reasons:

	1) You don't typically distribute compiled python apps (and when you 
do, it's always bytecode).
	2) Ocaml's runtime is *amazingly* fast.

	I've prototyped a few apps in python before rewriting in ocaml for 
performance.  The speed gains alone are beginning to push python away 
from being my primary utility app language.  I like a lot about the 
language as well.

-- 
Dustin Sallings

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