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On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 01:32, Martin Berger wrote:
&gt; &gt; Make systems are all conceptually wrong.

&gt; * as someone else pointed out, relying on convergence towards
&gt;    fixpoints may be too strong. some build processes may
&gt;    never converge, rather they evenually stabilise in some
&gt;    "open ball", so you might need some (user supplied) notion
&gt;    of "close enough". how do you do that?

In interscript I have an iteration limit.
In a GUI system, one pass per mouse click I guess.

&gt; * according to [1], a cartesian closed category with fixpoints
&gt;    and finite sums is equivalent to the category with one object
&gt;    and one arrow. how do you deal with this?
&gt; 
&gt; martin
&gt; 
&gt; [1] Hagen Huwig and Axel Poigne, A note on inconsistencies caused
&gt; by fixpoints in a cartesian dosed category, Theoretical Computer
&gt; Science 73 (1990), p. 101-112.

Ouch. First, the concept above is to use categories
as an inspirational model, but we do have to layer
the abstraction on real storage/execution systems,
so that theoretical constraint is unlikely to the most
difficult problem :-)

Second .. well, Ocaml uses this model 'as inspiration'
as well, and it's authors know a good deal more theory
than me so they're more likely to be able to answer :-)

Yeah, both answers are a cop-out (meaning I don't know :-)


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