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On Jan 17, 2009, at 8:27 AM, Jon Harrop wrote:

&gt; On Friday 16 January 2009 15:18:50 Kuba Ober wrote:
&gt;&gt; So, when correctly applied, what's so disturbing about inheritance?
&gt;
&gt; Inheritance is disturbing because, in general, it cannot be applied  
&gt; correctly.
&gt; That is why there are so many workarounds, many of which do not even  
&gt; exist in
&gt; C++ like final methods, sealed classes, multimethods, extractors and  
&gt; so on.
&gt; OO is not good in all circumstances and other tools can be  
&gt; preferable. IME,
&gt; OO is only very rarely the best solution and it is only chosen so  
&gt; often
&gt; because it is typically the only solution available (e.g. in C++ or  
&gt; Java).
&gt;
&gt;&gt; You inherit only where it makes sense, and if it makes sense then  
&gt;&gt; you don't
&gt;&gt; care about which particular method is called: it's supposed to be  
&gt;&gt; safe.
&gt;
&gt; Safety is quite different from easy of use, of course.

I know I'm perhaps overusing Qt as an example, but it's just handy.
In Qt, the basic "instrumented" class is QObject. It implements  
retrospection,
signal/slot mechanism, etc. QWidget (a GUI building block) derives  
from it.
(and from a QPaintDevice, since you can paint on it).
Then, you have various widgets that derive from QWidget. Some of those
are abstract widgets (interfaces), like QAbstractButton, where a  
concrete
class faces the end user, like QPushButton.

It is quite a straightforward model -- as long as you think of it in  
terms of "ISA"
relationship between classes.

I wonder how such a hierarchy would be implemented in a natural way
in OCaml? By "natural" I mean being good practice and not feeling like  
a hack.
One should remember that users must extend the framework, so it should
be easy to extend say QWidget to create your own "class".

Cheers, Kuba

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