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<contents>
Yaron Minsky wrote a while ago that "When we ﬁrst tried switching  
over from VB to C#,
one of the  most disturbing features of the language to the partners  
who read the code
was inheritance. They found it diﬃcult to ﬁgure out which  
implementation
of a given method was being invoked from a given call point, and  
therefore
diﬃcult to reason about the code.".

I was always puzzled about such an argument. Scott Meyers points
out at every opportunity that in C++ (and, by extension, in OO languages
in general), the class's interface is a contract that has to be upheld  
within
the inheritance tree. So if something is a Foo, then it must not  
matter that
it's an instance that derives 5 levels deep from Foo. If the code is  
written
such that a derived class breaks the contract, the code is written  
wrongly
and will cause no end of trouble. It's another story, of course, how
to uphold such contracts in your development environment: how much
can the compiler do, how much can the test harness do, how much
is done via static code analysis tools, etc.

Most importantly, inheritance has never meant to be a way to reduce the
amount of code. It's an incidental benefit, often cited as somehow the  
raison
d'etre of OO. If code reuse stands in the way of upholding the interface
contract, the contract wins in spite of code duplication. The best  
example,
perhaps, is the *widely abused* circle/ellipse inheritance. The fact  
that,
mathematically, a circle is an ellipse, does *not* mean that in OO  
language
you should derive a circle class from an ellipse class -- it makes no  
sense
at all if you think about it from the standpoint of interface  
contracts. In OO
world, a circle is *not* an ellipse. An ellipse has two radii, a  
circle doesn't,
that's where the story ends. The Wikipedia article about that problem is
amusing in the numerous examples they show that could supposedly
"fix" it somehow. I have not seen any decent, maintainable C++ code  
where
the Liskov's substitution principle was violated. I have violated it  
myself in
my early years of learning C++, and I have only regretted it.

So, when correctly applied, what's so disturbing about inheritance?  
You inherit
only where it makes sense, and if it makes sense then you don't care  
about
which particular method is called: it's supposed to be safe.

Cheers, Kuba
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